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#21
General Discussion / Re: Active vs. Passive Investi...
Last post by Dexter - November 02, 2016, 04:53:38 PMThe data that's been coming out over the last year or so is strongly in favor of passive indexing. Here's a recent FT article that makes a convincing case for investing passively:
https://www.ft.com/content/e139d940-977d-11e6-a1dc-bdf38d484582
These types of articles have been constantly popping up in the media. The response from the public and financial fiduciaries has been to switch to passive strategies (market-cap type indexing). On the face of it, this seems perfectly rational. Why pay more for an active manager if that manager can't beat a low-cost index fund after fees? (Answer: You shouldn't.)
However, whenever I hear that funds are consistently flowing into a specific strategy or asset class, it makes me wonder if the valuations in those areas are being stretched. If they are, that could lead to some epic declines -- and I don't like losing money.
Another thought I have when I read these stories is: Could the fund flows be the cause of the outperformance? In other words, is there some reflexivity going on (i.e., a circular relationship between cause and effect)? Could the heavy fund flows be increasing the prices of the underlying stocks in the indices, and thus enticing other people to invest in passive strategies, which then further drives prices up (and so on)?
Now, I'm not saying that passive investing is in a bubble. It is a popular strategy, but that doesn't mean there's not some good reasoning behind it. And for all I know, this shift from active to passive could continue for quite a while. (Frankly, I do think we have quite a few active managers that do not deserve their fees -- and should be fired.)
Ultimately, though, I think it comes down to valuation. What are getting for your money? This is the litmus test that investors should use.
To be continued....
https://www.ft.com/content/e139d940-977d-11e6-a1dc-bdf38d484582
These types of articles have been constantly popping up in the media. The response from the public and financial fiduciaries has been to switch to passive strategies (market-cap type indexing). On the face of it, this seems perfectly rational. Why pay more for an active manager if that manager can't beat a low-cost index fund after fees? (Answer: You shouldn't.)
However, whenever I hear that funds are consistently flowing into a specific strategy or asset class, it makes me wonder if the valuations in those areas are being stretched. If they are, that could lead to some epic declines -- and I don't like losing money.
Another thought I have when I read these stories is: Could the fund flows be the cause of the outperformance? In other words, is there some reflexivity going on (i.e., a circular relationship between cause and effect)? Could the heavy fund flows be increasing the prices of the underlying stocks in the indices, and thus enticing other people to invest in passive strategies, which then further drives prices up (and so on)?
Now, I'm not saying that passive investing is in a bubble. It is a popular strategy, but that doesn't mean there's not some good reasoning behind it. And for all I know, this shift from active to passive could continue for quite a while. (Frankly, I do think we have quite a few active managers that do not deserve their fees -- and should be fired.)
Ultimately, though, I think it comes down to valuation. What are getting for your money? This is the litmus test that investors should use.
To be continued....
#22
General Discussion / Active vs. Passive Investing
Last post by Dexter - November 01, 2016, 09:03:40 PMThis topic has been in the news recently, and I think it merits some discussion.
Since 2005, net flows of U.S. stock mutual and exchange-traded funds have been positive for passively managed funds and negative for actively managed funds. The WSJ has some interest charts on why investors are choosing to go passive versus active.
http://www.wsj.com/graphics/passive-investing-five-charts/
Essentially, this article argues that: 1) over the last 25 years the majority of U.S. large-company mutual funds have underperformed the Vanguard 500 Index Fund, 2) annual fees for actively managed U.S. stock mutual funds are almost 7 times higher than those for passively managed funds, 3) of the 20 best actively managed U.S. stock funds for 10-year returns as of 2005, only 7 were better than the average over the next 10 years, and 4) Morningstar Domestic Stock Fund Managers of the Year generally don't perform as well relative to the average in subsequent years.
All of this adds up to money flowing into passively managed funds.
This is an interesting dynamic, as passive investment is becoming a larger part of day to day investment flows.
Here's one interesting article about the shift from active to passive investment: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-10-28/shift-from-active-to-passive-investing-isn-t-what-it-seems
In this article, Bill Miller claims that many active managers are really just "high-priced closet indexers." Miller believes that about 70 percent of all active managers are closet indexers -- i.e., their funds own many of the same stocks as the index (to avoid too much deviation from the index), but they charge higher fees for their active management 'skills.' This is a toxic combination that leads to underperformance.
Given the incentives of most investment managers (job preservation & maintaining AUM to keep collecting fees), it wouldn't surprise me if a large percentage of active managers really were just closet indexers.
So, to some degree, it makes sense that we would see a shift from closet indexer "active managers" to passively managed funds.
However, I think there could also be a performance chasing aspect associated with this shift. More on this later....
Since 2005, net flows of U.S. stock mutual and exchange-traded funds have been positive for passively managed funds and negative for actively managed funds. The WSJ has some interest charts on why investors are choosing to go passive versus active.
http://www.wsj.com/graphics/passive-investing-five-charts/
Essentially, this article argues that: 1) over the last 25 years the majority of U.S. large-company mutual funds have underperformed the Vanguard 500 Index Fund, 2) annual fees for actively managed U.S. stock mutual funds are almost 7 times higher than those for passively managed funds, 3) of the 20 best actively managed U.S. stock funds for 10-year returns as of 2005, only 7 were better than the average over the next 10 years, and 4) Morningstar Domestic Stock Fund Managers of the Year generally don't perform as well relative to the average in subsequent years.
All of this adds up to money flowing into passively managed funds.
This is an interesting dynamic, as passive investment is becoming a larger part of day to day investment flows.
Here's one interesting article about the shift from active to passive investment: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-10-28/shift-from-active-to-passive-investing-isn-t-what-it-seems
In this article, Bill Miller claims that many active managers are really just "high-priced closet indexers." Miller believes that about 70 percent of all active managers are closet indexers -- i.e., their funds own many of the same stocks as the index (to avoid too much deviation from the index), but they charge higher fees for their active management 'skills.' This is a toxic combination that leads to underperformance.
Given the incentives of most investment managers (job preservation & maintaining AUM to keep collecting fees), it wouldn't surprise me if a large percentage of active managers really were just closet indexers.
So, to some degree, it makes sense that we would see a shift from closet indexer "active managers" to passively managed funds.
However, I think there could also be a performance chasing aspect associated with this shift. More on this later....
#23
Investment Ideas / Re: TWTR - Twitter Inc.
Last post by Dexter - October 21, 2016, 04:36:55 PMLooks like Twitter's stock jumped today due to Softbank M&A chatter.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/twitters-stock-softbank-m-chatter-212406302.html
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/twitters-stock-softbank-m-chatter-212406302.html
#24
Investment Ideas / Re: CCXI - Chemocentryx
Last post by Dexter - October 18, 2016, 02:20:30 PM #25
Investment Ideas / Re: TWTR - Twitter Inc.
Last post by Dexter - October 10, 2016, 11:51:38 AMNow it looks like Salesforce.com won't make a bid either.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/10/twitter-plunges-13-as-suitors-said-to-drop-off.html
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/10/twitter-plunges-13-as-suitors-said-to-drop-off.html
#26
Investment Ideas / Re: TWTR - Twitter Inc.
Last post by Dexter - October 06, 2016, 12:25:25 PMRecode is reporting that Google and Disney don't plan to make bids for Twitter, and that Apple is unlikely to bid for the company. Obviously, the stock is reacting negatively today.
http://www.recode.net/2016/10/5/13179604/sources-google-will-not-make-a-twitter-bid-and-apple-also-an-unlikely-suitor
http://www.recode.net/2016/10/5/13179604/sources-google-will-not-make-a-twitter-bid-and-apple-also-an-unlikely-suitor
#27
General Discussion / Q&A with Bluegrass Capital
Last post by Dexter - October 05, 2016, 04:58:53 PMRead this Q&A today with securities analyst Bluegrass Capital and wanted to share it with the group.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5AhopgMAgqubFlmLTBOZWRXRjQ/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5AhopgMAgqubFlmLTBOZWRXRjQ/view
#28
Investment Ideas / Re: CCXI - Chemocentryx
Last post by Mark P. - October 05, 2016, 12:54:13 PMYes they recently came up beyond their 20% drop and continues to grow. I think this article does a good job of explaining why this stock had its recent uptick. http://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/healthcare-focused-michael-castor-added-these-stocks-to-his-portfolio-last-quarter-475621/?yptr=yahoo
To answer your other question, off the top of my head I don't know the specific drug that I like the most in their pipeline but rather I think the company as a whole has several drugs with a really good potential of doing what they are supposed to.
As always this is a volatile industry and anything can happen, however, I think this stock has a real good opportunity to make it big.
Mark P.
To answer your other question, off the top of my head I don't know the specific drug that I like the most in their pipeline but rather I think the company as a whole has several drugs with a really good potential of doing what they are supposed to.
As always this is a volatile industry and anything can happen, however, I think this stock has a real good opportunity to make it big.
Mark P.
#29
Investment Ideas / Re: TWTR - Twitter Inc.
Last post by Mark P. - October 05, 2016, 12:49:08 PMIt looks like buyout bids may be received by Twitter (TWTR) as soon as this week. It looks like this stock may very well be bought out by this year or early next year.
Mark P.
Mark P.
#30
Strategies / Punch Card Investing
Last post by Dexter - September 28, 2016, 02:04:37 PMThought I should start a topic on Punch Card Investing. This method of investment resonates with me. In fact, I wrote an article on the topic here:
http://capitalalligator.com/invest/punch-card-investing/
In the past couple of days, a couple more articles have been written on the punch card approach.
http://brontecapital.blogspot.com/2016/09/comments-on-investment-philosophy-part.html
http://basehitinvesting.com/practicing-a-punch-card-approach-to-investing/
Feel free to share any thoughts you have on punch card investing or the above articles.
http://capitalalligator.com/invest/punch-card-investing/
In the past couple of days, a couple more articles have been written on the punch card approach.
http://brontecapital.blogspot.com/2016/09/comments-on-investment-philosophy-part.html
http://basehitinvesting.com/practicing-a-punch-card-approach-to-investing/
Feel free to share any thoughts you have on punch card investing or the above articles.